Thought on the Fact that We are All Slave Holders

As I mentioned in a previous ‘Thought’, unbelievers in the West often attack Christianity (and Jesus in particular) for not condemning slavery in its sacred scriptures, but not only is there nothing intrinsically wrong with the institution of slavery as understood in the scriptures (more often than not ‘indentured servitude’), it is also worth pointing out that this condemnation of Christianity about slavery is particularly rich coming as it does from people who are all slave-owners in the Biblical sense, as all such unbelievers are, for note that in our modern secular and democratic societies, where the people are technically the rulers, we have men and women who freely indenture themselves to serve for monetary compensation even though they lose their freedom when they decide to do so, and they can be ordered to risk their lives and die by their masters (us), and they suffer bloody hardships and pain upon the orders of their masters (us), and can be jailed if they disobey their masters (us), and so on, and we call these types of people ‘volunteer soldiers’, but what they ultimately are, once they sign the dotted line, are indentured servants (slaves) to the state, and the state can move them and use them like a piece of property; indeed, it is interesting to note that what volunteer soldiers are called to do and suffer is little different from what indentured servants (Biblical-type slavery) were called to do in the past, and yet, in a democratic society, we are all technically the owners of these military indentured servants and we are the ones, through our votes, that elect their immediate masters who command them to fight and die, and so not only should we, as actual slave-owners, not be so high-and-mighty in condemning the people of the past about their slavery, but perhaps we should also realize the point that I was making in the earlier ‘Thought’ about slavery:  namely, that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the institution of indentured servitude / slavery–and democracies support this point by having military institutions filled with what are essentially indentured servants–but rather the problem with slavery is the practical and pragmatic problem of how slaves are treated.


17 thoughts on “Thought on the Fact that We are All Slave Holders

    • Incorrect…monetary compensation is just a different way of exchanging goods for services, and slaves / indentured servants exchange services for goods (food, lodging, etc.). Furthermore, indentured servants could be paid.

      Next, there are no employment rights on a battlefield, unless you count employment rights as being ordered to charge a machine gun nest or run through a minefield.

      The fact is that ancient indentured servitude is very similar to modern volunteer armies, and so, in a democracy, that means we are all, essentially, slave-owners of a similar type as found in the Bible. And since we don’t wipe with consternation about volunteer soldiers, maybe we should not do so with indentured servitude in the Bible either.


      • Wait, volunteers who can’t leave? Who didn’t choose that career path?

        Biblical slaves were ‘taken from the foreigners around [them]’ and slaveholders were allowed to beat them so long as they didn’t die. Volunteer soldiers are not taken, they volunteer.


      • Both right and wrong. Right, that in normal times, people are not taken, they volunteer. But wrong, given that in times of war, citizens are forcibly conscripted by “democratic” governments to fight and die on pain of imprisonment if they do not…sounds like slavery to me.


      • Hahaha…I meant “weep”, not wipe when I wrote that. But the point is that conscription did happen in democracies, and would happen again if a World War occurred, and so democracies have forcibly taken people as “slaves” to do the will of the state, and the people in the state tacitly agreed to this, so my point still stands.


      • Certainly, but my point is that in some circumstances–such as war–“enslaving” people into, say, such a thing as soldiering, or enslaving foreigners as POWS, may indeed be moral, and we all understand and accept this. Furthermore, as my other point argued: it is not the institution of slavery itself that is immoral, it is rather how the slaves, in practice, are treated.


    • Furthermore, slaves in the Bible had certain rights as well, and arguably more than modern soldiers do, for the modern soldiers cannot refuse a life-threatening order (and if he does he faces serious imprisonment)…sounds very much like “slavery” to me.


      • I think you are sincerely overlooking the concept of freedom. Volunteers volunteered. Biblical slaves were prisoners of war or taken from the foreigners around them.


      • Indentured servants volunteered as well…they volunteered to serve for a certain period of time, just like soldiers do. And yet, after the soldiers volunteer, they are bound to their oath, just like indentured servants. The parallels are the same. Both volunteer, but once they volunteer, they are bound to obey their masters until their term is finished.


      • First, having been a soldier, you are, in a sense, wrong, for while I could not be beaten, I could be punished by being made to do a 20 km ruck march, or standing in the sun for hours on end, or running till I puked…all of which are pain and punishment. And this was in a volunteer army. So punishment of certain types in permitted.


      • I should also add that soldiers do submit to citizen they just do so through a chain of command (from citizen, to government, to generals, to the soldier). So soldiers, in a democracy, do submit to you in a certain way.


    • I would also point out that, at least in times of war, democracies take slaves….they are called POWs. We put them in camps and force them to work for our country even though they are captured and are doing so against their will….again, sounds very much like slavery.


Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Logo

You are commenting using your account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s